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		<title>By: sexgeek</title>
		<link>http://sexgeek.wordpress.com/2007/09/17/the-language-of-queer-always-on-the-outside/#comment-313</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 04:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, you raise an entirely different question - and a good one - that of a multilingual Canada with immigrant populations whose native-language speakers may perhaps now or in the future outnumber those who speak French. I don&#039;t know that I could venture so far as to take a political position on that, but I do find the reality of it quite fascinating, Tagalog being one good example among many. In an increasingly multicultural society, what is the relevance of having two &quot;official&quot; languages for an entire country where dozens are spoken? What practical strategies can be adopted to adapt to new realities? I don&#039;t have answers, but they&#039;re interesting questions to be sure.

Another question implicit in your comment is the relevance of maintaining a bilingual state in areas of Canada where populations of French speakers are extremely tiny. At the same time as there&#039;s a certain lack of logic to the &quot;equally bilingual everywhere&quot; approach when the geographic realities indicate vast differences in the practical usability of French, the flip side is that this very fact serves to isolate French speakers in specific geographic regions, and that leads to incredible amounts of discrimination in other regions. A friend of mine is a Francophone language activist in Manitoba, for example, and some of the stories she&#039;s told me about the way Francophones are treated - even bilingual ones - are appalling.

Lastly, your comment stands as an interesting example of how interest level intersects with learning ability. Especially when it comes to language, I&#039;ve read a couple of neat articles (no sources to cite, sadly) in the last year that indicate that a person&#039;s ability to learn is often directly correlated with their interest - and vice versa: if a person does not want to learn, it&#039;s nearly impossible to force them to. So I wonder how much of the French not &quot;taking&quot; is due to your perception of its pointlessness in the first place. I highly doubt it&#039;s due to any lack of intelligence on your part, given what I&#039;ve read of your work, so there must be some reason... Certainly that would resonate with my own experience of some subjects in high school. Anyway, no value judgment here - simply some musings.

Two solitudes indeed. Montreal queer culture pulls off some incredibly ingenious hybrids, intersections, overlaps, cooperative efforts etc. And yet those efforts always remain in the minority compared to the vastness of the gulfs that remain unbridged. Inspiring and sad at once.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, you raise an entirely different question &#8211; and a good one &#8211; that of a multilingual Canada with immigrant populations whose native-language speakers may perhaps now or in the future outnumber those who speak French. I don&#8217;t know that I could venture so far as to take a political position on that, but I do find the reality of it quite fascinating, Tagalog being one good example among many. In an increasingly multicultural society, what is the relevance of having two &#8220;official&#8221; languages for an entire country where dozens are spoken? What practical strategies can be adopted to adapt to new realities? I don&#8217;t have answers, but they&#8217;re interesting questions to be sure.</p>
<p>Another question implicit in your comment is the relevance of maintaining a bilingual state in areas of Canada where populations of French speakers are extremely tiny. At the same time as there&#8217;s a certain lack of logic to the &#8220;equally bilingual everywhere&#8221; approach when the geographic realities indicate vast differences in the practical usability of French, the flip side is that this very fact serves to isolate French speakers in specific geographic regions, and that leads to incredible amounts of discrimination in other regions. A friend of mine is a Francophone language activist in Manitoba, for example, and some of the stories she&#8217;s told me about the way Francophones are treated &#8211; even bilingual ones &#8211; are appalling.</p>
<p>Lastly, your comment stands as an interesting example of how interest level intersects with learning ability. Especially when it comes to language, I&#8217;ve read a couple of neat articles (no sources to cite, sadly) in the last year that indicate that a person&#8217;s ability to learn is often directly correlated with their interest &#8211; and vice versa: if a person does not want to learn, it&#8217;s nearly impossible to force them to. So I wonder how much of the French not &#8220;taking&#8221; is due to your perception of its pointlessness in the first place. I highly doubt it&#8217;s due to any lack of intelligence on your part, given what I&#8217;ve read of your work, so there must be some reason&#8230; Certainly that would resonate with my own experience of some subjects in high school. Anyway, no value judgment here &#8211; simply some musings.</p>
<p>Two solitudes indeed. Montreal queer culture pulls off some incredibly ingenious hybrids, intersections, overlaps, cooperative efforts etc. And yet those efforts always remain in the minority compared to the vastness of the gulfs that remain unbridged. Inspiring and sad at once.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Tupper</title>
		<link>http://sexgeek.wordpress.com/2007/09/17/the-language-of-queer-always-on-the-outside/#comment-302</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Tupper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 03:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m born and raised in Vancouver, and I suffered through many years of French instruction in high school and university, which I always thought was pointless in a city where more people speak Tagalog than French. Barely any of that French instruction took, by the way. 

The differences between French and English queer language is interesting. &quot;Two solitudes&quot; as they say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m born and raised in Vancouver, and I suffered through many years of French instruction in high school and university, which I always thought was pointless in a city where more people speak Tagalog than French. Barely any of that French instruction took, by the way. </p>
<p>The differences between French and English queer language is interesting. &#8220;Two solitudes&#8221; as they say.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Boy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Riley;

I had a gay male colleague argue with me once at the pub after work. I referred to myself as queer and he said: &quot;No, you&#039;re not. You&#039;re bi.&quot; Even my hetero colleagues were aghast. I didn&#039;t even have to react. They proceeded to enumerate the ways I was queer (!): &quot;She has sex with men AND women and she fucks with gender. She is into non-monogamy. Meanwhile, you&#039;re living a straight lifestyle, except that your monogamous relationship is with another man. She&#039;s more queer than YOU are.&quot; Of course, it made me smile, even though I don&#039;t believe in that queer one-upmanship type of stuff either, but it was interesting to see how they had an understanding of queer that he wasn&#039;t getting at.

Looking forward to reading your &quot;queer&quot; post. 

On a lighter note, I have another colleague (well, a faculty dean actually) say something to the effect of: &quot;Well, Nancy, we all know you&#039;re queer but what does that have to do with your sexual orientation?&quot; I love working in a relatively progressive institution of higher learning, even though I won&#039;t do it forever. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Riley;</p>
<p>I had a gay male colleague argue with me once at the pub after work. I referred to myself as queer and he said: &#8220;No, you&#8217;re not. You&#8217;re bi.&#8221; Even my hetero colleagues were aghast. I didn&#8217;t even have to react. They proceeded to enumerate the ways I was queer (!): &#8220;She has sex with men AND women and she fucks with gender. She is into non-monogamy. Meanwhile, you&#8217;re living a straight lifestyle, except that your monogamous relationship is with another man. She&#8217;s more queer than YOU are.&#8221; Of course, it made me smile, even though I don&#8217;t believe in that queer one-upmanship type of stuff either, but it was interesting to see how they had an understanding of queer that he wasn&#8217;t getting at.</p>
<p>Looking forward to reading your &#8220;queer&#8221; post. </p>
<p>On a lighter note, I have another colleague (well, a faculty dean actually) say something to the effect of: &#8220;Well, Nancy, we all know you&#8217;re queer but what does that have to do with your sexual orientation?&#8221; I love working in a relatively progressive institution of higher learning, even though I won&#8217;t do it forever. </p>
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		<title>By: sexgeek</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ahh, don&#039;t even start me on that one. On second thought, do... I will probably now have to post something entirely separate just for the sake of ranting about the various misinterpretations and misappropriations of the term &quot;queer.&quot; Not now, but soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh, don&#8217;t even start me on that one. On second thought, do&#8230; I will probably now have to post something entirely separate just for the sake of ranting about the various misinterpretations and misappropriations of the term &#8220;queer.&#8221; Not now, but soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Riley</title>
		<link>http://sexgeek.wordpress.com/2007/09/17/the-language-of-queer-always-on-the-outside/#comment-297</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Riley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a hard time not getting exasperated with some of the gay men I know who think that &quot;queer&quot; is simply another term for &quot;gay&quot;. I once referred to a female lover of mine and one guy&#039;s face twisted into disgust. I don&#039;t quite remember what I said in return but my internal monologue was full of exclamations: I am a queer man! I date and fuck whomever I like! including women! including transpeople!

Conversely, I&#039;ve had some forward thinking dykes feel that, because I work in a gay leather bar and like boys, that I&#039;m a gay man. Full stop. I tend to think in many exclamations about that too.

In related yet unrelated news, I&#039;m learning a bit of ASL each day. My new favorite sign: bite.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a hard time not getting exasperated with some of the gay men I know who think that &#8220;queer&#8221; is simply another term for &#8220;gay&#8221;. I once referred to a female lover of mine and one guy&#8217;s face twisted into disgust. I don&#8217;t quite remember what I said in return but my internal monologue was full of exclamations: I am a queer man! I date and fuck whomever I like! including women! including transpeople!</p>
<p>Conversely, I&#8217;ve had some forward thinking dykes feel that, because I work in a gay leather bar and like boys, that I&#8217;m a gay man. Full stop. I tend to think in many exclamations about that too.</p>
<p>In related yet unrelated news, I&#8217;m learning a bit of ASL each day. My new favorite sign: bite.</p>
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