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	<title>Comments on: butch/femme: flavours of strength</title>
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		<title>By: Femmedagger</title>
		<link>http://sexgeek.wordpress.com/2008/06/26/butchfemme-flavours-of-strength/#comment-4031</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fantastic! I have had similar thoughts and conversations with friends and this dynamic is one that is endlessly interesting to me. Honestly, I just appreciate any opportunity in which queer-identified people take to express their gratitude and affection for the myriad gender presentations of our communities. Sometimes it feels like the rest of the world thinks we&#039;re freaks and then we just duplicate that same system of castigation, judgment and negativity within ourselves. Thank you for your finely articulated sentiments here!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic! I have had similar thoughts and conversations with friends and this dynamic is one that is endlessly interesting to me. Honestly, I just appreciate any opportunity in which queer-identified people take to express their gratitude and affection for the myriad gender presentations of our communities. Sometimes it feels like the rest of the world thinks we&#8217;re freaks and then we just duplicate that same system of castigation, judgment and negativity within ourselves. Thank you for your finely articulated sentiments here!</p>
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		<title>By: Ren</title>
		<link>http://sexgeek.wordpress.com/2008/06/26/butchfemme-flavours-of-strength/#comment-1147</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ha. I&#039;m butch, and I admire femme strength and courage for exactly the same reasons your friend related. In terms of the parallels of your admiration, I&#039;m especially amused by the femme top/butch bottom admiration -- but it&#039;s true, that is a fine example of going against the grain. And as far as the double-bind of butch gender (&quot;So in addition to dealing with all the bullshit aimed at them because of how bad it is to be masculine and female, the world wants to pile all society’s expectations of classic sexist masculinity on them&quot;) I&#039;ve never thought about it that way, but that is a good point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha. I&#8217;m butch, and I admire femme strength and courage for exactly the same reasons your friend related. In terms of the parallels of your admiration, I&#8217;m especially amused by the femme top/butch bottom admiration &#8212; but it&#8217;s true, that is a fine example of going against the grain. And as far as the double-bind of butch gender (&#8220;So in addition to dealing with all the bullshit aimed at them because of how bad it is to be masculine and female, the world wants to pile all society’s expectations of classic sexist masculinity on them&#8221;) I&#8217;ve never thought about it that way, but that is a good point.</p>
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		<title>By: sexgeek</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sinclair - Thanks for posting! Now, if only I could get into that password-protected post of yours that keeps sending people here... I&#039;m wildly curious. 

GT - You&#039;re very welcome. Thanks, in turn, for the inspiration.

Motobootboy - Yeah, the pink thing about made me retch. I think all power tools should come in colours other than black, yellow and red, just because I firmly believe that &quot;utilitarian&quot; does not have to mean &quot;boring&quot; and I happen to like using items that are appealing to look at. But it&#039;s not like they designed tools in eggplant and burnt sienna here... we are talking about pink, with all its loaded gender significance. Hardly a coincidence given their company mandate. This isn&#039;t a design thing, it&#039;s a gender thing, and it does buy right into a binary. I&#039;m sure many women must love them, but I really wish they&#039;d make pink one of many varieties rather than one of two. Simmer indeed.

Jacky - Yeah, the question of who&#039;s braver does come up when discussions of butch vs FTM come up. It&#039;s a bit of an artificial opposition in that some butch women pass as men whether they want to or not, and some trans guys don&#039;t no matter how hard they try, and lots of people in both groups (and others, such as genderqueer and intersex folks) experience varying degrees of being read accurately and inaccurately depending on any number of factors. Really the question of bravery comes up based on how society perceives you, and what punishments they mete out or rewards they bestow as a result of that perception, rather than based on what identity label one chooses for oneself and what means one pursues to embody that identity.

Medici - Happy to satisfy. :) There is definitely an art to saying &quot;piss off&quot; without being mean. Ivan Coyote spoke about that on stage at Toronto Pride this past weekend - s/he laid out a number of the responses s/he&#039;s given to the question &quot;are you a boy or a girl?&quot; over the years, but concluded that the most powerful one was to say, more or less, &quot;I&#039;m a mainly estrogen-based creature. How about you?&quot; no matter what the apparent gender of the person asking the original question. Not mean, but boy did it ever pack a punch, in Ivan&#039;s story at least. Fun idea. So what&#039;s the snowflake conclusion? Weren&#039;t you green last time?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sinclair &#8211; Thanks for posting! Now, if only I could get into that password-protected post of yours that keeps sending people here&#8230; I&#8217;m wildly curious. </p>
<p>GT &#8211; You&#8217;re very welcome. Thanks, in turn, for the inspiration.</p>
<p>Motobootboy &#8211; Yeah, the pink thing about made me retch. I think all power tools should come in colours other than black, yellow and red, just because I firmly believe that &#8220;utilitarian&#8221; does not have to mean &#8220;boring&#8221; and I happen to like using items that are appealing to look at. But it&#8217;s not like they designed tools in eggplant and burnt sienna here&#8230; we are talking about pink, with all its loaded gender significance. Hardly a coincidence given their company mandate. This isn&#8217;t a design thing, it&#8217;s a gender thing, and it does buy right into a binary. I&#8217;m sure many women must love them, but I really wish they&#8217;d make pink one of many varieties rather than one of two. Simmer indeed.</p>
<p>Jacky &#8211; Yeah, the question of who&#8217;s braver does come up when discussions of butch vs FTM come up. It&#8217;s a bit of an artificial opposition in that some butch women pass as men whether they want to or not, and some trans guys don&#8217;t no matter how hard they try, and lots of people in both groups (and others, such as genderqueer and intersex folks) experience varying degrees of being read accurately and inaccurately depending on any number of factors. Really the question of bravery comes up based on how society perceives you, and what punishments they mete out or rewards they bestow as a result of that perception, rather than based on what identity label one chooses for oneself and what means one pursues to embody that identity.</p>
<p>Medici &#8211; Happy to satisfy. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  There is definitely an art to saying &#8220;piss off&#8221; without being mean. Ivan Coyote spoke about that on stage at Toronto Pride this past weekend &#8211; s/he laid out a number of the responses s/he&#8217;s given to the question &#8220;are you a boy or a girl?&#8221; over the years, but concluded that the most powerful one was to say, more or less, &#8220;I&#8217;m a mainly estrogen-based creature. How about you?&#8221; no matter what the apparent gender of the person asking the original question. Not mean, but boy did it ever pack a punch, in Ivan&#8217;s story at least. Fun idea. So what&#8217;s the snowflake conclusion? Weren&#8217;t you green last time?</p>
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		<title>By: medici</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah.  So satisfying to read this post. I love being genderqueer ... but it took me many years having to learn to say &quot;piss off&quot; and mean it without being mean.  Teach us to care, teach us not to care, teach us to sit still, and all of that.

I wonder if my snowflake will remain invariant.  Only one way to find out ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah.  So satisfying to read this post. I love being genderqueer &#8230; but it took me many years having to learn to say &#8220;piss off&#8221; and mean it without being mean.  Teach us to care, teach us not to care, teach us to sit still, and all of that.</p>
<p>I wonder if my snowflake will remain invariant.  Only one way to find out &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jacky V.</title>
		<link>http://sexgeek.wordpress.com/2008/06/26/butchfemme-flavours-of-strength/#comment-1129</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jacky V.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 03:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Awesome : ) You know, it&#039;s funny because I frequently get the comment: &quot;You&#039;re so brave!&quot; because of my transition. I have a hard time accepting that compliment because I always think it takes so much courage to be a woman in a patriarchal society and that if I were truly as brave as they thought I was, maybe I would try to carry on trying to be me in a female body.

I&#039;ve been thinking a lot lately about how much I admire women in general for that bravery that they need. Having spent 34 years as a woman, I know how hard it is to go through life not being taken seriously, continuously silenced by various subtle and not-so-subtle social processes, &quot;otherised&quot; in everything from daily speech to the films and TV to educational texts. 

Anyway, that was a bit of a tangent but your post reminded me of these thoughts I&#039;ve been having and I thought I&#039;d share. I&#039;ve never ID&#039;s as either butch or femme but I respect all these forms of IDing and presenting, each with it&#039;s own set of challenges, just like IDing as genderqueer or genderneutral.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome : ) You know, it&#8217;s funny because I frequently get the comment: &#8220;You&#8217;re so brave!&#8221; because of my transition. I have a hard time accepting that compliment because I always think it takes so much courage to be a woman in a patriarchal society and that if I were truly as brave as they thought I was, maybe I would try to carry on trying to be me in a female body.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking a lot lately about how much I admire women in general for that bravery that they need. Having spent 34 years as a woman, I know how hard it is to go through life not being taken seriously, continuously silenced by various subtle and not-so-subtle social processes, &#8220;otherised&#8221; in everything from daily speech to the films and TV to educational texts. </p>
<p>Anyway, that was a bit of a tangent but your post reminded me of these thoughts I&#8217;ve been having and I thought I&#8217;d share. I&#8217;ve never ID&#8217;s as either butch or femme but I respect all these forms of IDing and presenting, each with it&#8217;s own set of challenges, just like IDing as genderqueer or genderneutral.</p>
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